A query about 9.02 and other bits

[ash48]

Watched the ep again. :))

There was a LOT of sexual innuendo in the latest episode. From Crowley's " Can't wait to see Sam in stilettos and a leather bustier- really putting the S.A.M into S and M." to Sergeant Bates saying "I will spank your ass raw" (and D/s stuff that Abaddon said...).

I'm curious about this section:

Abaddon: So go ahead and play hard to get, and I'll peel off this "no demons allowed" tattoo and blow smoke up your ass.

Dean: ...I gotta tell ya, between you and me it's a horror show up there.

Abaddon: It can get worse. Because once I'm on top I'll make you watch - and I'll use your body.

I really wondered where they were going with this and then Abaddon seemed to change direction and started talking about killing babies.

Um...what exactly was Dean talking about? My first thought (and continuing thoughts) didn't go to a very nice place at all. A bit like the way Lucifer referred to possible experiences Sam had in the cage ("bunk buddy, "you are my bitch in every way"), was Dean referring perhaps to his time in Hell? Being, quite literally, fucked up? Or was it simply referring to how dark his soul and inner being is? I'm just curious about the choice of words. It's seriously dark if it's the former - which, when offering a demon and angel universe makes sense. (The reason for asking is because I was going to list all the sexual references in the ep and wondered if that should be included).




Speculation ahead....

I am also thinking that as we missed out on the (apparently) planned showdown between Michael!Dean and Lucifer!Sam - maybe we are heading for a showdown between Ezekiel!Sam and Abaddon!Dean? Now THAT could be very cool. Oh man...just thinking about how Jensen would play Abaddon...*thud* (I wonder if they'd even dare do that...).

And the more I ponder it, the more I really hope Zeke is "good" (using the term loosely as the interpretation of what is good is murky - especially we haven't really seen a "good" angel as such). We've already had "evil" not!Sam so "good" not!Sam would be a potentially fascinating contrast. The lines would be blurred and that would be interesting I think. And I honestly don't know how Sam would cope with another being using his body to do evil crap to other people. Doing "good" for other people would provide an interesting comparison - and maybe reverse the (potential) situation of Sam wanting to get rid of him. If Sam wanted to keep Zeke on board (and Zeke was happy to stay) how would Dean deal with that. What would the fall out be...

Zeke being able to tap into Sam's memories and thoughts is full on creepy - which would add to that exploration of the difference (or lack of) between being possessed by an angel or a demon. *guh* so many possibilities with this storyline. I love it.


Also:



Cool. I wondered why the first poster had Sam looking down. Now it's clear - this time it's Zeke. Hee...a poster for both the characters.

Comments

[suebsg9.livejournal.com]

I found what abaddon said to Dean very intresting of course why not eye another vessel I mean Dean was suppost to be Michaels meat suit so I am guessing he can hold any angel or pretty charged up demon. And I think it would be intresting twist is that here is Sam having angel in him since he was the brother who prayed first before Dean had angels save him from hell. But it would be intresting twist doubt happen though. And this is what bothers me about having Zeke in Sam is the fact well we know he is there and will save Sam and Dean in hunts. So really Dean can stand near the impala let Zeke do the work and take credit for it. I mean its not like we don't know they are not going to make it out alive anymore as long as zeke is riding sam; Dean has nothing to worry about. JMO

[linvro21.livejournal.com]

maybe we are heading for a showdown between Ezekiel!Sam and Abaddon!Dean?
YES PLEASE!

[ash48.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking that Zeke can only come out when Sam is knocked out - which will get boring pretty fast if that's how they resolve them being in danger every time. I can't see them keeping Zeke in Sam for the whole season - for exactly the reason mention. It would be too easy to get him to do everything (much like having Cas around - they've had to find situations which meant he couldn't always get them out of trouble). If they did anything like I pondered above, I figure it would only be for an episode or two.

All that said, I have no idea on their planned direction - and really, I don't actually care what direction they take as long as they write interesting stories. :))

[debbiel66.livejournal.com]

So interesting....Dean's horror show comment, not to mention every other line of dialogue that came out of his mouth during this episode. I haven't watched again yet, but on first watching, was really impressed that Dean seemed...sharp again. And mouthy. There is so much Season 1 & 2 in the way these first two eps have made me feel, angel plot notwithstanding. (I really like Zeke - wish Galactica's Helo could have stuck around longer - but don't have much use for the rest of the arc....)

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Wouldn't it be cool?! Dean would be even crazier hot with Abaddon inside him...

[linvro21.livejournal.com]

And Sam would know how to (eventually, after some epic fights and sexual tension) cure Abaddon, and with Zeke he's strong enough to do so.
Yes.
This is how it shall be.
Send a copy of this to the writers.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Ha! Done...

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

"Zeke being able to tap into Sam's memories and thoughts is full on creepy - which would add to that exploration of the difference (or lack of) between being possessed by an angel or a demon."

In the ep where Crowley killed Meg, she talked to Sam about knowing his innermost thoughts, so I don't see that there's a difference between the two possessions...except that Zeke is verbalizing the positive side of Sam's thoughts, which I thought was a cool way to let Dean see a part of Sam that Sam would never directly verbalize.

I don't want Dean to be possessed--he never has been, and I see it as integral to his character that he is too strong to be possessed, in addition to having the power (of love?) to make other characters through off their possession (John--Azazel, Bobby--demon, Sam--Lucifer, Cas--Naomi...) To me, that is the heart of Dean's character, his inner strength that he doesn't even realize he has.

[linvro21.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I just have to say.
I really don't like how your Abaddon looks down on my Charlie.

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

PS Can you post the 2 different posters side by side to show the difference? If that's not too much trouble...I don't remember the details of the first one...

[linvro21.livejournal.com]

I wonder if there's a no-posession tattoo against angels...

[counteragent.livejournal.com]

Jared looks too skinny. I want to feed him, poor baby.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

was really impressed that Dean seemed...sharp again.

Yeah. He was really on the ball during this hunt. Great plans and taking the lead like a pro. He was clearly unnerved by Abaddon, but he's faced demons in Hell so he knows how to stay cool. I liked Jensen's little tells that he was scared - reminded me of when he faced Meg in Shadow. All mouth - but clearly worried.

I hope they find a way to bring Tahmoh back. I liked his presence and it would be great to have Sam as Sam and him as Zeke together in a scene. Maybe in the future...;) (I figure the person he originally inhabited said yes to the possession so Zeke would go and find him again if he needed another vessel. So potentially we'll see him again *g*)

[zubeneschamali.livejournal.com]

a showdown between Ezekiel!Sam and Abaddon!Dean?

I had that same thought! But she ran away so quickly when she realized there was an angel in town, I thought maybe it wouldn't be an even match-up. Lucifer and Michael were both angels, after all. But I would love to see Jensen play not!Dean like that.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

After this I reckon Sam might get one...

[galathea-snb.livejournal.com]

Ah, I would hate if Abaddon possessed Dean. For me Dean has always been the embodiment of humanity and as such it always felt significant to me that he has never been possessed in the show. I was never keen on a Michael!Dean and Lucifer!Sam price fight in the first place, because it would have reduced the brothers to simple vessels without an agenda of their own. So, no, I really don't want Abaddon to take over Dean.

[bowtrunckle.livejournal.com]

so "good" not!Sam would be a potentially fascinating contrast...If Sam wanted to keep Zeke on board (and Zeke was happy to stay) how would Dean deal with that.

*eee* !!! :D I love this idea for a lot of reasons, but mostly bec. I feel like it would give Sam something to be proud about, something "good" that he feels would be useful (rather than trying to use demon blood drinking, which was "bad", for "good" or his psychic powers, which were "bad" bec. they were from Azazel, to save people) and it would also be his CHOICE, giving him some personal power. Sam needs so badly to get a reprieve from being the supernatural chess piece. Also, it would mess with Dean's head and I love it when Dean's world gets upended; it would make for interesting and hopefully unpredictable story telling, putting the characters in a new head space entirely. I'm going to adopt this idea and take it home and feed it pie and hot chocolate.

There was a LOT of sexual innuendo in the latest episode.

I noticed that straight away. I loved the tension between Dean and Abaddon; that scene was well played! I think your meta-ish thoughts about the implications of that dialogue are interesting. I just initially attributed it to the Dabb and his overall sexual tone. I was sort of peeved about Tracy (?) and how she just seemed not at all like a realistic hunter compared to the men (made up, beautiful, and looking like there would be no way she'd be able to behead a vampire let alone cut butter ... her outfit was a plot point, I guess, so she could seduce the vamp so that's that), all the demeaning talk about women (again), and the fact Tracy was talked about like she was an object (referred to in the 3rd person when she was standing RIGHT THERE and could've easily been given her own dialogue) in the presence of 3 men. I just want a capable, smart, independent, realistic-looking female hunter (ripe for spin-off territory). Sorry to vent, but the short is that I didn't think too much about the implications Dean-Abaddon dialogue as I was already annoyed, but now that you pointed it out .... hummm. Thanks. :)

this time it's Zeke. Hee...a poster for both the characters.

So cool! I love, then, that this version wasn't released until after the Zeke possessing Sam reveal. Has this take on the posted been confirmed by TPTB, JP, or JA?

[caranfindel.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I thought Dean's comment about it being a horror show up there was a little ambiguous too. Also thought it was interesting that Abbadon taunted him by asking if he'd ever heard a woman scream as he was pulling her guts out. Because given his stint in hell, I think he probably has.

LOVE Sam's broken wing shadow on the new poster!

[alienat.livejournal.com]

maybe we are heading for a showdown between Ezekiel!Sam and Abaddon!Dean?

I'm not sure I would be happy with that. While it would be an amazing acting opportunity for Jensen, I'm watching for Sam, Dean and their personalities, and not for their possessed bodies.

At first I thought that what Dean said to Abbadon was a reference to his generally messed up mind. But now that you say it, he could have meant it in regards to the things that happened to him in Hell. We'll see if they expand on that further. :)

[quickreaver.livejournal.com]

I just want a capable, smart, independent, realistic-looking female hunter...

THIS THIS THIS. And this.

[quickreaver.livejournal.com]

I kinda thought Zeke popped out not because Sam was unconscious, but because the promise he made to Dean was to save Sam's life, and the demons would have killed him, almost certainly. Just my take!

[galwithglasses.livejournal.com]

There's more that's different with the poster besides Sam. The tagline in the original said Prepare for the Fall. This one talks about Hell reigning.

You know, Cas carved the enochian symbols on their ribs so angels couldn't track them. He should have carved the anti-possession tattoo mark on there too. Skin is so fragile.

The bit about being a horror show up there almost felt like there was dialog missing or something. It sort of came out of nowhere. After watching On the Head of a Pin and all the other scenes of demon torture we've had and the fact that there was so much riding on Dean breaking, I don't think there's much that wasn't done to him....and probably not a lot he didn't do after getting off the rack. Alastair basically said he had a lot of promise.

I don't trust Zeke, first because he's an angel and he's too into lying but like you said, what an angel might consider good and where that would mesh with Sam's goals, it's hard to say. It depends on whether Sam is still looking for redemption and what Zeke offers along those lines. Although we thought Sam's chat with Death about not being used to hurt anyone else partly meant Dean, I think Sam was also referring to his being the pawn of Heaven and Hell and everyone that they've lost since then plus all the associated fallout on earth. Tracy's comments about her parents were put there to reinforce that, I think.

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

Me too - I think... Though now I'm wondering if maybe at the moment, with Zeke himself recovering from injury, he couldn't take Sam over unless he was unconscious???

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

Do you think Abaddon would make Dean wear killer lipstick?

[amberdreams.livejournal.com]

In the first one Sam is looking down and his head is turned towards Dean - and there are no wings!