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Jun. 28th, 2014 08:36 pm
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Ok guys. I seriously need some intervention. I NEED to see and understand Dean's side of the story in S9. I need to start feeling sorry for him like so many others seem to. I actually mean this. By the end of S9 I was so god damn pissed off with him I can't even find it in my heart to feel bad that he's "become the very thing he hunts". He HAS become the very thing he hunts and not just because he's a demon now. He's been heading toward this for a while. It's actually one part of the S9 story telling that makes a lot of sense to me. He's slowly been blurring those lines and the consequence is what we are seeing now. I know we can feel sympathy for what they are doing to their characters the fact that Dean's actions have lead him here, but I am still struggling (so much!) with why people are still blaming Sam for what's happening to him.

So what the am I missing? (I promise I will listen if you can shed some light).

(this is actually effecting how I am feeling about the show atm and how I react to gifs (etc) that are highlight how bad things are for Dean. I need to stop thinking "but he deserves it!" and start feeling sorry for him. And stop reacting to things being said against Sam.../o\. I just wish I could understand why people are still so hard on Sam. All he did was tell some truths - in ONE episode).

Date: 2014-06-28 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kassidy62.livejournal.com
There's no need to excuse how he's behaved, IMO. I think people excuse him in part because the guy make s a bid for sympathy, really. He's very good at it, and it's manipulative. What he's done is not excusable, but it is to some degree understandable, given his past. As a fan, I wouldn't want to be blind to it, or forgive him because he's a sympathetic character.

Sympathy for a really screwed-up family dynamic that Dean's been part of, though, I have that, because the things he's been taught are going head-to-head with the bad things he's been doing. He is a victim of the things his father charged him to do. Save Sam, save the people (regardless of it being at Dean's expense) - it requires action, strong action. He's never learned that deciding something and moving forward on it, bulldozing everything in his way CAN'T extend to relationships with people. It's a damn mess, really, and he's floundering, bewildered, but he's also becoming that thing that happens in real life - transitioning from victim to victimizer.
It's past time he started figuring things out. That's what we do as adults, right? But only when we've somehow gotten the tools or recognize that we need them, anyway, to change things for ourselves. Maybe he'll get there.
I do think every time he makes headway, his hot button gets pushed again - Sam in danger is such a snarl of emotional urgency for him.

I love the old co-dependency, don't get me wrong, but I have hard feelings for how Sam's been repeatedly victimized. At the same time, I think I admire the evolution of Dean's character over the years. It's just so PAINFUL, and for me its impossible to have an uncomplicated joy over his character anymore.

The fact that people still defend Dean's every action says something kind of impressive about the actor and the show, or something kind of terrible about people in general, in my opinion. Or both?

Hope this makes some sense, I've run out of time to edit myself:)

Date: 2014-06-29 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ash48.livejournal.com
Hey,

I really enjoyed reading you pov on this. It's like you can see Dean the way I do - transforming from victim to victimiser, but also feeling sympathy because of the way he got there. It is terribly sad (and complicated!) but I like you don't make excuses for him. I sometimes get the feeling that Sam is blamed for the "look after Sam" mantra. When Sam doesn't instantly feel grateful for that (or even bucks it) he's called "selfish", instead of just seeing him as a person with his own problems.

Thank you! It made a lot of sense to me. :)

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