A question re destiny (or god knows why I'm still thinking about this...)

[ash48]

So, I'm working (well, struggling actually) with this vid and a question came up about the boys' destinies.



Was Sam's destiny always to sacrifice himself to save the world and Dean's was to break the cycle of sacrifice? Which is basically what happened to them in the end.

Or was it to become Michael and Lucifer's vessels all along (as had been mentioned in a few episodes) and they instead exerted some "free will" and therefore didn't fulfil their rightful destinies.

I'm thinking the latter now (man, I'm doing my head in with the amount of turn arounds I've had about this episode). I initially liked the idea that Sam was always destined to save the world (with Dean's help) and Dean was always meant to be the strongest of the Winchesters and break the cycle. But maybe they brought that about themselves. Dean by saying no to Michael and Sam being strong enough to bring Lucifer down.

So free will did win out in the end. Sort of. Because who can say with one brother being dead while the other suffers his loss a win. At all. :(

Or maybe they had 2 potential destinies. Or none. Or...



Ok. My head hurts now. Maybe I'll see if I can make sense of this vid. Though I've realised that even if it doesn't see the light of day (which, let's face it, there's been a plethora of 5.22 vids lately *g*,), I'll have worked something out of my system. :)

Also, special hugs and thanks to my bidders. *smish*

Comments

[redteekal.livejournal.com]

Apologies if I sound like I'm babbling here - just finished 5 hours of watching the last seven episodes of S5 (yes again ... okay like the fourth time at least) with a friend who had yet to see them.

I like thenyxie's take on it. But I also like the question Cas poses to Dean "What do you want - peace or freedom?"

Personally I think it sucks out loud that if you choose peace you lose freedom. The peace the Supernatural verse proposes is not really peace in my book but a poor imitation of it (a la The Matrix). I think real peace for the Winchesters is entirely codependent on freedom. Sam's destiny - to be Lucifer's vessel, Dean's destiny to be Michael's vessel and cue apocalyptic ending death battle.

The boys chose freedom (and Family - with a capital F because really it was that kind of Family that helped Sam take control back) and ultimately defied their destinies. Which is why in the end I believe God stepped in, because of the choices of the boys. And the ending was not a win situation at all for the boys - but it was for everyone else in their orbit and the planetary population. And for me as the all seeing viewer having those last five seconds I counted it as a win. For Dean and Sam and their POVs definitely NOT a win.

[ash48.livejournal.com]

Oh wow! 5 hours! /o\ That's heavy duty SPN!

But I also like the question Cas poses to Dean "What do you want - peace or freedom?

Oh man. This is such a tough one. And really so very cruel as an outcome for the boys (and I love your comparison to The Matrix. I remember thinking "I think I'd rather live in the "fake" world and eat real steak rather than that stuff they were eating in the "real" world. Indeed, what price freedom?!).

So yes. No matter which way it's looked at - whether they fulfilled or didn't fulfil any sort of "destiny", they certainly didn't win anything. Ok. Maybe some sort of "freedom", but as you point out. Ay what cost.

Any news on whether we can plug into a projector to screen stuff? I can organise some vids on my shiny new computer if so. Quality will probably be better if we can do that.